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Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on November 01, 2005, 08:06:58 AM
It's here - can someone (Pinky  :D  ?)  sort out some instructions for those technically incompetent people around here  :mrgreen:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: john galbraith on November 01, 2005, 08:29:09 AM
You'll have to wait a few hours.  Looks like Pinky was naughty and stayed up very late last night. :lol:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on November 01, 2005, 08:39:15 AM
:roll:

 :P


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Teletraan on November 01, 2005, 08:43:41 AM
Quote from: "john galbraith"
You'll have to wait a few hours.  Looks like Pinky was naughty and stayed up very late last night. :lol:


That's her regular schedule  :P


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 08:54:03 AM
:shock:   Oooo... time for Fing to go try and make his Notebook angry again.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 09:24:42 AM
Seems to be working....
System is running Ubuntu
Downloaded to and installed from my home directory...  couple of errors on WCG's install page tho.

# Download the BOINC installation file from the BOINC website and place it into a desired directory.  (home works fine)
# Open a command line window and change to the directory where you downloaded the BOINC installation file.
# Make the installation file executable:  chmod 700 boinc_5.2.2_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
# Install BOINC:  ./boinc_5.2.2_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
cd BOINC

Then, all I had to do was run:
./boinc -attach_project   http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org cc17014a27e50d3749dffd1ca3884e4

All you shold need to change is the string I colored green to whatever they gave you to use. (It was on the WCG install instructions page, and they were also nice enough to send it to me via e-mail.

[Edit]  Remover the included WCG errors...  Made it harder to folow.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 09:28:48 AM
Or you could just use the above command as is,  I could use the points.  :twisted:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on November 01, 2005, 09:59:08 AM
I tried that and all went OK but my Linux boxes are all old P3's with 128MB (shared) RAM.  Seems like the same conditions apply under Linux - 128MB RAM minimum  :(


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 10:06:59 AM
PC-100 or 133 ram?   Getting cheap. 128mb $28...
If EDO/SIMM, that's cheap too, but the biggest card I found easily was 64mb $17

Hmmm....  Looking at the list at Tiger Direct, looks like ALL the prices are dropping SODIMM as well..  
Keeps this up, and the notebook may just get a memory boost.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on November 01, 2005, 10:38:23 AM
PC133 - all CAS 3 but I have a couple of CAS 2's but the machines don't seem to like it  :(

I just read at WCG that the Linux client will require 256MB RAM - as my machines have shared video it would be cheaper to get Windows and run with lower RAM  :roll:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 11:15:17 AM
57min showing 41% completed.  Not bad since it's sharing with Folding.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: PiNkY on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
have you checked ebay for ram?  can sometimes find cheap stuff there


fing, beware of tigerdirect+mail in rebates...not a healthy combination.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on November 01, 2005, 12:31:57 PM
Quote from: "PiNkY"
have you checked ebay for ram?  can sometimes find cheap stuff there



Compy said the same - had a look and not as much as I thought.  Not happy about the 256 minimum though  :evil:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: PiNkY on November 01, 2005, 12:38:54 PM
probably more foresight on their part....they may have somewhere in the program itself that looks for the minimum, and if a new project comes around that needs that minimum amount, it's easier if it's already set...  just a random guess.  though it likely would have been wiser to write it like the windows client where it checks to see after downloading the unit if the correct around of ram is available, instead of hardcoding it like i suspect.


sounds like they went terminal-style client....good to hear they didn't do something silly like DIMES did... :P  why a giant graphical client that eats up all your memory for a program that just pings right and left is necessary kinda baffles me :lol:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: "PiNkY"
fing, beware of tigerdirect+mail in rebates...not a healthy combination.


The only problem I've had with thier rebates, is the short expiration time.

I've learned to watch the dates..  Every one I've filed has been paid within the 4-6 weeks advertised.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: PiNkY on November 01, 2005, 01:16:48 PM
interesting, i've heard nothing but horror stories of them not showing up... :P


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 01:37:39 PM
Well,  there have only been two.....  Got them both.  May be someone may have missed reading the end date for thier rebate.

I've seen lots of great rebates there that were listed to expire on the same day I saw the price.

Buyer beware on those.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 02:10:05 PM
ack on topic...    :mrgreen:

Uploaded first completed job on Linux client.  :mrgreen:

Now to wait and see if it gets scored on the next update.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 08:24:35 PM
:think:  Why run WCG if I can go straight through BOINC and still do Rosetta HPF?

http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

[email protected] is a scientific research project that uses internet-connected computers to predict and design protein structures, and protein-protein and protein-ligand interactions. Our goal is to develop methods that accurately predict and design protein structures and complexes, an endeavor that may ultimately help researchers develop cures for human diseases (See the  Human Proteome Folding Project (http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/viewHpfResearch.do), a collaborative effort to apply our software on the human genome).

Hmmm strange...  The last link goes to WCG.

 :think: Predictor looks like another interesting project.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: PiNkY on November 01, 2005, 08:35:22 PM
i think there was a recent thread at wcg explaining the differences between wcg rosetta and [email protected]'re working together, but two seperate pieces of the hpf puzzle...or something... :P


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 01, 2005, 08:41:49 PM
Well, that would possibly be a good thing since WCG seems to be getting close to the completion point of thier part.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 10:42:36 AM
:hoghappy:

I got the linux version of WCG running and it attached to the project.  Got this anyways

[World Community Grid] Starting result de239_48_2 using rosetta version 419

I also used the special secret code they emailed me.  :P  So its apparently running but when I look in the boinc manager there is nothing there.  So how do I know where this will even go.  :cry:  Was i suppose to do something else as well.  I'm not showing a new device for this at WCG either.   :doh:  :roll:  :cry:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 10:48:27 AM
If you just started it, it will take a day or so to show up on your device list.  When Boinc returns your first stats to WCG.  Takes a short time to to thier validation bit. Points show up later than you expect due to this also. But it seems to work.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 10:51:03 AM
So its ok if the boinc manager is empty.  Guess I'll just let it run and see what happens.  Is there any way to see what % its at?  :huh:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 10:53:57 AM
Work Tab should show you what it's processing, and how far along the job is.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 10:55:49 AM
nothing there.  :lol:  Just says wrong password.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 10:58:59 AM
?????    :think: Not running Linux or WCG at the moment. Gonna have to go do some research on that one.
Back in a Bit...   :)


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 11:01:30 AM
Wonder if I'm suppose to attach to wcg through the boinc manager.  :huh:  I used the command line to do that.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 11:09:25 AM
I'm still trying to figure out where your wrong password came from.

Are you trying to run both command line and manager at the same time?

If so, try closing both and just using the run_manager command and see if that makes a difference.

Remember it takes Boinc a couple seconds to update the different tabs.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 11:10:54 AM
Yep I was trying to use both at the same time.  I looked at WCG and they say I have 3 devices but only 2 are listed.  Maybe the 3rd is the linux setup.  :huh:  :hoghappy:  :think:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 11:13:05 AM
Ok that was it.  :coffee:  The boinc manger says its at 17% and has phicksus but no team name.  :think:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 11:14:28 AM
Is showing in Boinc manager now?

 8) COOL...


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 11:15:51 AM
Yep as long as i don't have it running it does.   :lol:

Wonder why I don't show a team.  I have one listed at WCG.  :huh:  :popcorn:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 11:21:03 AM
The manager should have it running. I think all the team info only shows at the WCG website. I wasn't running the linux bit long enough prior to the main rig going down to play with it enough.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 11:21:48 AM
How do I start it back now.  :roll:  Wonder if they could have made this any harder.  :lol:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 11:25:26 AM
Terminal window, cd to the directory you installed to and ./run_manager

That should get it up and running, and still let you check it via the manager.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 11:30:28 AM
[[email protected] BOINC]$ ./run_manager
connect: Operation now in progress
init_poll: get_socket_error(): 111
[[email protected] BOINC]$


I give up  :evil:   May try again tomorrow.  :popcorn:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 11:46:22 AM
:lol:  I'm showing 3 boinc devices at WCG now.  :doh:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 12:09:13 PM
Did you by chance install while logged in as Root?


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 12:19:26 PM
No was a regular user.  Finally gave up when the manager started showing nothing again.  Then tried to attach thru the manager and got that stupid you don't have enough disk space error.  :evil:  :lol:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 12:21:11 PM
Now there is an error I haven't seen in a while.  :shock:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 12:24:38 PM
Maybe I should just delete it all and try tomorrow.  :lol:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 12:27:30 PM
Couldn't hurt.  I don't remember having any problems with the install myself. And I can't locate anything describing the problems you are having.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 12:28:34 PM
I looked over at the site and didn't see anything close to it either.  :lol:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 12:29:55 PM
I even went to the Boinc WIKI and didn't find anything.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 12:36:55 PM
I always have strange problems that no one has seen before.  :lol:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: PiNkY on November 12, 2005, 12:52:07 PM
as long as you don't end up with the no disk space type of error i got one of my first times running grid with wine. :lol:  it had so little space, it couldn't even start gnome :lol: :P


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Morphy375 on November 12, 2005, 01:29:37 PM
Disk space error seems to be a "misconfiguration" in the general preferences. Got to the website of the project and change it Patty....


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 01:31:37 PM
Its set to the max 10gb.  Maybe tomorrow after an update it will be ok.  :huh:   I had the same problem with [email protected]  :doh:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Morphy375 on November 12, 2005, 01:34:05 PM
Use no more than   10.0 GB disk space
Leave at least   0.1 GB disk space free
Use no more than   50.0% of total disk space
Write to disk at most every   60.0 seconds

That's my setting on the linux rigs....


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Morphy375 on November 12, 2005, 01:35:01 PM
BTW What does "df -k" say in a terminal window?


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 01:35:31 PM
No that was the windows options I changed.  Changed the boinc ones this time.   Maybe that will fix it.  :coffee:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Morphy375 on November 12, 2005, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: "phicks"
No that was the windows options I changed.  Changed the boinc ones this time.   Maybe that will fix it.  :coffee:


I hope so....  :mrgreen:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 01:37:29 PM
Yep cause its driving me and everyone else crazy.  :lol:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 01:48:46 PM
Ok restarted the stupid thing.  It found the wu it was working on earlier.   :huh:  :hoghappy:  So I'm just going to let it run and see what happens.  :backoff:  :fridaynite:  :twisted:  Don't know what I did to it but I think it was near a broken state.  :coffee:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 02:48:05 PM
Well it downloaded a new wu to run after this one is done.  I think thats a positive sign.  :mrgreen:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
Definately a step in the correct direction.  8)


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 06:48:19 PM
Well it completed and already got points for it.   :mrgreen:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on November 12, 2005, 06:58:27 PM
:thumb:  :fridaynite: Party TIME!


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: phicks on November 12, 2005, 06:59:09 PM
Yep I thought it would be a while before it even showed up.  That was quick.  :D


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Johnny Cool1 on January 01, 2006, 08:50:48 PM
I have posted about this yet again. Ton's of threads here and at WCG.

Can anyone help me with something I can post concerning LINUX and WCG? I have people I know asking for links and so forth.  :wink:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Dark Angel on January 01, 2006, 08:57:17 PM
What are you after JC?  I'll help if I can.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: TLD on January 01, 2006, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: "Johnny Cool"
I have posted about this yet again. Ton's of threads here and at WCG.

Can anyone help me with something I can post concerning LINUX and WCG? I have people I know asking for links and so forth.  :wink:


Something like this perhaps:
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/viewJoinNow.do
http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Installing_The_BOINC_Client_Software_on_Linux


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Johnny Cool1 on January 01, 2006, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: "TLD"
Quote from: "Johnny Cool"
I have posted about this yet again. Ton's of threads here and at WCG.

Can anyone help me with something I can post concerning LINUX and WCG? I have people I know asking for links and so forth.  :wink:


Something like this perhaps:
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/viewJoinNow.do
http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Installing_The_BOINC_Client_Software_on_Linux


Yes, that does help!  :thumb:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Johnny Cool1 on January 05, 2006, 10:14:04 PM
TLD, when I go to "Installing The BOINC Client Software on Linux", it looks confusing. Any link there about doing this on WCG?  :idea:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Hanski on January 06, 2006, 05:51:29 PM
Johnny

Follow the http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/viewJoinNow.do -link

Register and  download the agent. You will see the page, where WCG helps you installing the agent.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Dark Angel on January 06, 2006, 06:10:58 PM
Those are the intructions that I used to get my self going.
Getting the client running automatically wasn't covered though, I must admit.  That part might be more specific to your distro, I don't know.
I did find, though, that you can crunch more units of you just run the client (via the script "run_client") and check on it with the manager than if you start everything with the manager.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Johnny Cool1 on January 06, 2006, 08:33:48 PM
Quote from: "Hanski"
Johnny

Follow the http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/viewJoinNow.do -link

Register and  download the agent. You will see the page, where WCG helps you installing the agent.


Thanks!  :thumb:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Johnny Cool1 on January 06, 2006, 08:36:03 PM
Quote from: "Dark Angel"
Those are the intructions that I used to get my self going.
Getting the client running automatically wasn't covered though, I must admit.  That part might be more specific to your distro, I don't know.
I did find, though, that you can crunch more units of you just run the client (via the script "run_client") and check on it with the manager than if you start everything with the manager.


Dark Angel, it's not for me. I want to send this info to LINUX users. I hope they can figure out those scripts.  :idea:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Dark Angel on January 06, 2006, 08:55:38 PM
Well, I'd been using linux for about an hour before I worked through that install, so it can't be too hard. ;)

The script I was referring to is in the BOINC directory after you unpack it.  No need to do anything other than run it.  It's just the launch script for the client, nothing fancy.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Johnny Cool1 on January 06, 2006, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: "Dark Angel"
Well, I'd been using linux for about an hour before I worked through that install, so it can't be too hard. ;)

The script I was referring to is in the BOINC directory after you unpack it.  No need to do anything other than run it.  It's just the launch script for the client, nothing fancy.


OIC! Thanks!


Title: one core working on wcg boinc, arggh where is 2nd core :(
Post by: retep57 on March 11, 2006, 01:48:59 AM
i see that one core is working, i am  a newbie on linux, i tried to put suse  10 but it fell over , maybe a corrupt cd iso  disk 2 ,  so tried with ubuntu 64 and up and running  says only one core,  i went to profile  or device manager etc and set to   4 cores max ( well  really left the default alone which was 4 anyway?!) anyone with a simple fix  before i eiterh abandond or do another project on 2nd core  or ditch wcg on that put cos of underutilisation??? pleaze help cheers


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Dark Angel on March 11, 2006, 02:19:44 AM
Just a thought, does your kernel support the dual cores or is it just 64bit?
You may need to go to the repositories and download the kernel with SMP support. That's "Symetrical Multiple Processor".
I'm not sure but you might need that to properly access multiple cores as they are really multiple CPU's in a single package.
Or I could be wrong.
I figure it's worth looking into.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: PiNkY on March 11, 2006, 02:23:36 AM
was thinking similar to DA... :)


read this, it may help get you set up if need be... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140186&highlight=dual+core


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: PiNkY on March 11, 2006, 02:29:44 AM
actually just noticed that was for a 32 bit install...the process should be similar, but probably with k8 instead of k7.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: retep57 on March 11, 2006, 03:29:25 AM
hmm you guys are great,  it looks a bit sus, i went to ubuntu forums and  some recent entries said SMP   dont use SMP  bad for ubuntu , hmm   a few probs, i think if the distro is weak in this area i might head for another distro, actually i did aim for suse 10 but the install fell over,, maybe a iso image problem,  arghhh  will keep playing till i sort it out, at 1st i thought it was boinc but somehow  i think the SMP is not happening in ubuntu thanx again will keep trying ciao


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: retep57 on March 11, 2006, 06:46:07 AM
the nightmare continues,  was 2.2 gb into a 3.1 gb  dvd  64 iso of suse and lost connection, tried distrowatch   with getright but wont connect, dont want to be many hrs into a d/l and then have it fall over  , this sucks, arghhhh... the ubuntu seems limited in smp  i tried to go for the smp update but  says file not there arghhh... all the frigging coverdisks are  386... :(
looks like there is very little help for the dual core setup   , tears... anyone got an easy way to get small  distro that actually works with smp??? so far i have only tried  ubuntu cos  suse  d/l  was corrupted  ..


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on March 11, 2006, 06:58:32 AM
:think:   I'll take a look around and see if I can find somethin.

[edit]Have you looked in to Fedora?  Not a very small D/L, but it's split to 5 cd's.  http://fedora.redhat.com/

Also, you might try your Suse d/l again, but I recommend using BitTorrent for the download of the DVD..  Transferes start slow with torrent, but pick up speed after a bit. Also should keep you away from the lost connection problem.  So far Suse is still my fav distro.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Dark Angel on March 11, 2006, 03:45:50 PM
I'm running ubuntu with 686 kernel with no problems.  That's not SMP though, just to clarify.


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: retep57 on March 11, 2006, 08:20:57 PM
ok  thanx guys,  i have ordered a dvd commercially (suse 10  64  vers)  for 18$ aus,  prob  just a burn from a company but still cheap enough,  i had done  hrs  of d/l  for 5 cds but i think one is corrupted, arghh, then i did hrs of d/l but  after 2.1 gig  got disconnected then lost it all, then i  tried getright but not wanting to connect arghhh, then  tried bittorent  but  seemed to be reall slow and only found 5cd version anyway,,  so now i go for 1 dvd ,  unless someone can tell me ubunutu can handle smp without major stuffup,  cheers, in the meantime  one core chugs away, not bad 4 results in about  14hrs


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: PiNkY on March 11, 2006, 08:25:03 PM
hope the ordered one works out better... :thumb:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on March 11, 2006, 08:52:57 PM
Not a bad price..  Seems worth it to me with the problems the down loads were giving you.  8)


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: retep57 on March 11, 2006, 09:05:58 PM
Quote from: "fingerle"
Not a bad price..  Seems worth it to me with the problems the down loads were giving you.  8)


thanx fing. it is basically your advice and expereince that  leads me to try for suse, all i need is a proper iso and away ya go ( i hope) bascailly a 1$ dvd-r and access to  a site would do the trick, so funny  the dvd even though ordered from a sort of aussie site is actually a commercial enterprise in the UK , ha oh well they are organised and hace already emailed me with post airmail eta times.  good for them,  however  next time i hear of someone in this predicament i will just burn and send them a copy...
also thanx pinky and dark angel for  clues to situation, for now one core is working very nicely on wcg -  was nearly gonna dump it and go to folding (again) but it seems to be the  basic ubuntu install is lacking in SMP capability ( i think!?) cheers


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: fingerle on March 11, 2006, 09:09:09 PM
:thumb:  :fridaynite:


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: retep57 on March 12, 2006, 06:59:40 PM
have 2nd core up now ,  at last , well ok i  have only had the  computer  for 1 and 1/2 days  , but u lot know  that that is a LONG time to wait and waste time  of the most important of activities  .. distrib puting  YAYAYAYAYAY

 sudo apt-get install linux-amd64-k8-smp

if anyone wnats to know    running ubuntu ( at this stage)


Title: WCG Linux client
Post by: Dark Angel on March 13, 2006, 02:17:05 AM
Available through the repositories via Synaptic Package Manager, if anyone doesn't speak sudo. :)