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Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on February 22, 2006, 04:42:02 PM
Currently running the UD windows client and was wondering if there is any reason to switch and try the BOINC windows client? There is some talk of BOINC work units returning more points than the UD client. How is the interface compared to the UD client? Would I have to rejoin my team and are there any issues with points transfer? Thanks.


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 22, 2006, 04:51:54 PM
Tele... I running both and have no problems with the Bionc client. In fact I'll be switching my other rigs over to it sometime over the weekend. You don't have to rejoin your team, when you register the client with the project, it'll guide you through the process - with WCG you will have to cut and paste the a key, and thne just fill in the blanks. As for pionts transfering, I'm not sure of the question, but I'm not watching my Bionc pionts at the moment. I also 'think' that the Bionc client runs faster on older/slower machines. I first intalled it on an 'marginal' by WCG standards laptop an the resource utilization looks to be lower, and the WU's finishing faster.

Hope this helps,
Rick


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on February 23, 2006, 07:58:45 AM
Thanks for info, Rick  :thumb:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on February 23, 2006, 11:17:56 AM
It seems many people are reporting points increase using BOINC, although I think this may be due to the fact that BOINC grades a machine using the processor only and ignores RAM and storage.


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on February 23, 2006, 11:35:25 AM
It also gives everyone who crunches a particular work unit the average score of that set of computers, I think (disregarding the high and low extremes). So, depending on the speed of your machine, you may benefit if your pc is slower, or lose if it's faster than the average computer that crunched that same unit. Or maybe I have it completely wrong - not sure yet  :mrgreen:

I'm also interested in interface comparisons between the two. Any preferences? And BOINC has a built in caching of units, if wanted?


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on February 23, 2006, 12:09:10 PM
Yes, BOINC caches WU's for you - simply set it to download x days of work (Max 10).  Better interface in my opinion - gives more info.  Downside of BOINC is that it awards points based on CPU time rather than wall time - not good if you run multiple projects.


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on February 23, 2006, 02:09:15 PM
What type of info does the interface give you that the UD client doesn't?


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on February 23, 2006, 03:13:49 PM
Which projects you are attached to and how much time, relative to the others, you will spend on each one;
List of individual WU's cached;
Time (CPU) spent on each WU;
Stage of completion (%);
Estimated time to complete;
Deadline for return of WU result;
Complete list of activities performed (eg time WU downloaded, time WU completed, time WU uploaded, time switched between projects, benchmark results);
Statistics (points) for each active project on that machine - total and average for the user and that particular machine;
Disk space usage.


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on February 23, 2006, 04:06:34 PM
Nice. Think I'll install it and give it a try. Thanks VAIO.

One last question: Can I choose to only run one of the two projects at WCG or do you run whatever they have when you attach to that project? I remember for a time people couldn't opt out of one (or add one, maybe?). Not sure if that's been resolved yet?


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 05:17:36 PM
You can opt out in your profile over at WCG.  :D


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: VAIO GRX616 on February 23, 2006, 05:18:18 PM
Not sure - I really don't care what the project is  as long as it has some value.  I think you can turn off projects for WCG but that is a setting that is part of your WCG profile rather than something to do with BOINC.

When BOINC was first brought on to WCG you could only do HPF and not [email protected]  I'm currently getting WU's for both.


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on February 23, 2006, 05:50:18 PM
Thanks Patty, VAIO, I thought it may be in the BOINC client that you had to select. Sounds easy enough then  :)


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 23, 2006, 07:05:48 PM
Tele..... You'll like it, I wasn't sold at first, but like I said I'll be switch all of my rigs over the weekend.


Rick


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 07:41:36 PM
I didn't like it at first either but it grows on you.  All my rigs are boinced now.  :P


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 23, 2006, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: "phicks"
I didn't like it at first either but it grows on you.  All my rigs are boinced now.  :P

And Patty knows a thing or two about bioncing......  :twisted:


Rick


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Ghost Plane on February 23, 2006, 07:57:40 PM
:rofl:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 08:22:14 PM
Quote from: "rwillis"
Quote from: "phicks"
I didn't like it at first either but it grows on you.  All my rigs are boinced now.  :P

And Patty knows a thing or two about bioncing......  :twisted:


Rick


 :spider:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 23, 2006, 08:27:17 PM
:lolol: ..... was waiting for your reply, I ment that comment in the best possible way. :love:


Rick


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 08:28:50 PM
Sure  :lol:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 23, 2006, 08:34:19 PM
:shock:...... how could you think otherwise..... I'm hurt...... :sad:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 08:36:13 PM
I think Rick is good at the guilty thingy to get hugs.  :lol:

(http://www.smileypad.com/v202/Cache/Personal/Hug.gif)


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 23, 2006, 08:39:05 PM
Who me ????? never... well may be... OK ya got me, I'm a sucker for a good :hug: from you...

oops... we've gone off topic..... who would have guessed


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 08:40:13 PM
I'm sure Teletran expects it by now.   :lol:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 23, 2006, 08:42:38 PM
SHHHH Tele is about....... act like nothing has happened.........


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 08:44:00 PM
We're in trouble now.  :oops:  :lol:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: fingerle on February 23, 2006, 08:47:13 PM
Then he'l know y'all are up to something.  :twisted:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 23, 2006, 08:50:32 PM
How could an Innocent Creature like Patty and myself be up to anything... but a friendly exchange of information......????


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: fingerle on February 23, 2006, 08:52:31 PM
:noevil:  :fire:  :rofl:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: "rwillis"
How could an Innocent Creature like Patty and myself be up to anything... but a friendly exchange of information......????


Of course.  :fridaynite:  :popcorn:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: rwillis on February 23, 2006, 09:03:03 PM
Never a doubt in our minds........ :twisted:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: phicks on February 23, 2006, 09:58:43 PM
:eh:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on February 26, 2006, 06:49:59 AM
I'm definitely preferring the BOINC client. Thanks to all those who answered questions on it. Now I have purged UD further from my system and I feel better than ever  :mrgreen:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Ghost Plane on February 26, 2006, 07:44:04 AM
You have to watch the euphoria of purges lest you develop a crunching disorder :twisted:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on February 26, 2006, 09:17:53 AM
:mrgreen:


Title: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Johnny Cool1 on February 27, 2006, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: "rwillis"
Never a doubt in our minds........ :twisted:


 :hoghappy:  :mrgreen:  :hoghappy:


Title: Re: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: john galbraith on August 15, 2006, 01:23:47 AM
After running both agents for a month, I figure BOINC isn't for me.  It's best suited for those running multiple projects and that have high speed broadband.   I run only WCG on dialup so it makes no sense to have to wait through downloads that take 3 times longer for BOINC than the UD agent, just to get the extra points that BOINC pays per unit.  Also, it takes as much as a week before BOINC units are validated and credited.


Title: Re: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Dark Angel on August 15, 2006, 05:21:38 AM
I have found the boinc client to be better for my purposes for a number of reasons.  There's a Linux version   :love:, it has built-in work unit queing  :thumb:, more expansive built-in stats  ::) and I found I got better work throughput  :-* though that's going from win2k+UD to Linux+boinc.
Points are irrellevent.  Resistance is futile (if less than 1 ohm)


Title: Re: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: john galbraith on August 15, 2006, 06:13:48 AM
Work throughput is the only thing you mentioned that matters to me and, for cancer jobs anyway, the two agents are fairly similar on my machines.  FAAH on BOINC actually ran slower for me than on UD.
BOINC takes 15 to 16 minutes to d/l a workunit, where ud takes about 5 or less.  Makes a big difference when running multiple machines (5 currently).


Title: Re: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Dark Angel on August 15, 2006, 03:29:39 PM
I didn't run boinc on dialup so I can't really comment there.  It does seem odd that it should take so long though.
To be honest I havn't checked the times on the latest projects.  I did my comparisons on HPF1, where boinc came out a hands down winner.


Title: Re: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: john galbraith on August 15, 2006, 03:49:31 PM
Got to run a few HPF2 units on BOINC before they shut it down and that too ran as much as 50% slower than on UD.  That's why I couldn't figure out why everyone was saying BOINC was faster as it didn't prove to work out that way for me.


Title: Re: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: fingerle on August 15, 2006, 03:51:33 PM
Boinc running like mad with these HDC jobs here.
Also easier to monitor across my lil network.  8)


Title: Re: Use UD client or run BOINC windows client?
Post by: Teletraan on August 15, 2006, 09:56:28 PM
I also prefer BOINC because it verifies the status of the work unit you send in and whether it got completed correctly or not.