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Seems WCG is taking a new turn. From the project thread:

"We are using our structure prediction algorithms available at Protinfo to predict the high resolution structures of proteins expressed in major rice strains. We will then use these structures to predict function, and interaction with other molecules including proteins, DNA, RNA, and nutrients (ions, small molecules, etc.) using
tools also available at the Protinfo site.

The eventual goal is to help farmers use marker assisted breeding to produce better rice strains with higher crop yields, greater disease and pest resistance, and that will provide a full range of bioavailable nutrients thereby benefiting those in regions where hunger and nutrient deficiency is a critical concern.

To accomplish this we need to understand the behavior of rice proteins, and this in turn is aided by understanding their molecular structure. Our software can predict the structure, but the computational challenge to solve this problem is great and would require decades of computing time on our best computer cluster. We expect that it can be done in about a year using World Community Grid."

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http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/rice/viewRiceMain.do
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I don't think so....  Much better things to spend time on than one of the more robust and plentiful crops on the planet...

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Heard there's a food shortage since old Algore wen't getting a mandate for turning corn into ethanol. If you took the entire corn crop of the US and turned evey grain into methanol, you would only satisfy 18% of the gas consumption.

In the mean time, corn prices have been going up, and poor folks in other parts of the world are facing food shortages. Starvation, no eating, leading to death or malnutrition, or both.
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What's that got to do with the price of rice?

Rice is simple...   Plant it in an area with favorable climate and the stuff just simply grows..
It takes a bit to destroy a crop, mostly weather related stuff.
We don't need to research rice. Other than ask the Chinese how to grow it.
OH WAIT!  We already know how to do that... But since you need a LOT of space to make
it really profitable in the states, No one wants to grow it here.

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No, fing we grow rice in the Houston area, and the finest rice in the world is grown near San Francisco.

I ike our export quality rice from San Francisco area, they grow a lovely short grain variety there. Kokuho Rose, Botan, and Nishiki, I think are all grown there. I like Nishiki.

The push to grow a more nutricious rice has been around awhile, first they made a rice with Vitamin A in it. Enhancing protein production might be a bit trickier.
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http://www.usarice.com/industry/gov/Informa.pdf
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What's that got to do with the price of rice?

Rice is simple...   Plant it in an area with favorable climate and the stuff just simply grows..
It takes a bit to destroy a crop, mostly weather related stuff.
We don't need to research rice. Other than ask the Chinese how to grow it.
OH WAIT!  We already know how to do that... But since you need a LOT of space to make
it really profitable in the states, No one wants to grow it here.



Sorry Fing this is so wrong - its no way as simple or as plentiful as you suggest.

There are acute shortages of rice in the world at the moment, the price has soared and people in the third world who rely on rice as their staple diet are starving and dying.

And its only going to get worse as the crops in Burma have been devastated and they are a major exporter.

Anything that can be done via research to produce better rice strains with higher crop yields, greater disease and pest resistance will be a godsend for many.

Even the US is effected - there are reports of several stores like Costco and Sam's Club limiting how much rice customers can buy - mainly to discourage stockpiling by restaurants.
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Up until the 1800s, the plantations around these parts grew rice and indigo. Then cotton mills came in and they let it go. Huh?
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Sorry Fing this is so wrong - its no way as simple or as plentiful as you suggest.

There are acute shortages of rice in the world at the moment, the price has soared and people in the third world who rely on rice as their staple diet are starving and dying.

And its only going to get worse as the crops in Burma have been devastated and they are a major exporter.

Anything that can be done via research to produce better rice strains with higher crop yields, greater disease and pest resistance will be a godsend for many.

Even the US is effected - there are reports of several stores like Costco and Sam's Club limiting how much rice customers can buy - mainly to discourage stockpiling by restaurants.

I agree with Ady on this one, the only thing that scares me about genetically enhanced strains is the lack of diversity in the planted genome. If everyone plants the same strain, and a disease/pest likes it.............. possibly a bigger problem.
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Maybe if they stopped building new houses on the prime farmland and actually PLANTED on it, there wouldn't be shortages Roll Eyes
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No, fing we grow rice in the Houston area, and the finest rice in the world is grown near San Francisco.

I ike our export quality rice from San Francisco area, they grow a lovely short grain variety there. Kokuho Rose, Botan, and Nishiki, I think are all grown there. I like Nishiki.


I seem to remember China and Japan refusing to allow imports of American grown rice as they consider it inferior to their own, the same opinion they have about nearly everything American.  All they want to import from the USA is cash in return for the crap they send here.
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We export a lot of rice to Japan every year.  Whistle
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I seem to remember China and Japan refusing to allow imports of American grown rice as they consider it inferior to their own, the same opinion they have about nearly everything American.  All they want to import from the USA is cash in return for the crap they send here.

The Japanese highly prize our short-grain rice from the San Fran area as I stated before most of it is export quality.
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I agree with Ady on this one, the only thing that scares me about genetically enhanced strains is the lack of diversity in the planted genome. If everyone plants the same strain, and a disease/pest likes it.............. possibly a bigger problem.
One way to find out is to create the new strain and then send it to the agricultural laboratories for testing. I agree with Ady. The fear of genetically enhanced crops is real, but what if they can produce the new strain by traditional breeding techniques?
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The Japanese highly prize our short-grain rice from the San Fran area as I stated before most of it is export quality.

I'd be willing to bet that the paddies where that rice is grown are owned by Japanese interests.  They didn't want American beef either until it started to be raised on Japanese owned cattle ranches here.  Most of the parts suppliers for the Toyota, Honda, etc. assembly plants here are also japanese owned or contolled.  They know how to take care of their own, something we have forgotten.
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Still leads to weakness in the food chain if everyone concentrates on the single strain. We've seen it before with assorted diseases - homogeneity in our food supply is NOT a good thing. Bring back the heirloom tomatoes Thumbs Up
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I agree with Ady on this one, the only thing that scares me about genetically enhanced strains is the lack of diversity in the planted genome. If everyone plants the same strain, and a disease/pest likes it.............. possibly a bigger problem.
The good thing about this project is it doesn't involve GM - the question has already been asked and answered by the project scientists over at WCG:

"No this project is not about genetic engineering - which is done in the laboratory and exchanges genes from different species. This research examines the structure of the proteins that make up rice at a level of detail that has not been possible before. Once we know the structure, we can identify the function and thus identify the plants to select for cross-breeding. Cross breeding is a technique that farmers have used since the human race began to cultivate crops rather than just collect whatever grew around them"

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We export a lot of rice to Japan every year. 
Not much this year from what I read DA - seems the Aus rice production is estimated to be just 15,000 tonnes this year due to the drought, the smallest harvest since 1928   Sad

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Hmmm ... bugger.  Doh
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Ok ... we USED to export an ass load of rice to Japan.  Yap yap yap
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IMO any thing that homogenizes the plant genome is bad. you develop the super corn or rice it only takes one disease that effects that strain  to cause starvation like we have never seen before. look at the Irish potato famine caused by a blite that affected A particular strain of potato..
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There are strains of rice that I don't think will be messed with anytime soon, with or without a new high-protein version

1) Basmati and Texmati, these varieties give a smell like fresh-popped popcorn. Basmati has been a long-time favorite in Asia.

2) Short-grain is preferred by the Japanese and Chinese. Otherwise known as sticky rice because the starches develop in cooking and make the rice clump up.

3) We also have Pecan rice here in the South. Never really cottoned to this variety.

4) Regular medium-grain and long-grain varieties.

There are probably more varieties that I am missing, but you get the picture.
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growing up with rice at most every meal (even breakfast), in a family that bought 50lb bags at a time...i'd say those that have rice as a staple tend to stay to their preferred blend.  twice while living on my own i've tried different blends, i was surprised the difference it makes, and not a good one when you're used to something. lol  i'll pay extra for my milagrosa/jasmine. Tongue
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IMO any thing that homogenizes the plant genome is bad. you develop the super corn or rice it only takes one disease that effects that strain  to cause starvation like we have never seen before. look at the Irish potato famine caused by a blite that affected A particular strain of potato..
Cross-breeding has been practiced since the year dot with all forms of plants, animals, crops and livestock to produce new and better breeds and strains - I don't think this is going to be any different.
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My mother LOATHED rice, so I periodically indulge with great pleasure. Problem is, my hips were bred to spread nicely on potatoes, so they expand FAR too readily on rice Doh
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So a big bowl of rice and there's something to hold on to.  Thumbs Up
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You want to get into the basmati rice.  Low GI (lowest of the white rices anyway) for long lasting energy when you need it.  Wink
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You want to get into the basmati rice.  Low GI (lowest of the white rices anyway) for long lasting energy when you need it.  Wink
Get the Texmati, we grow it in Texas.
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Never seen it here.  Pretty much all the basmati I see is from India.
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May not be for export, then. Huh?
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No Texmex here either - like DA we just seem to have Basmati.


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Don't shrink 'em too much, GP.  Hourglass figures are considered more attractive than thermometers. Tongue

I've always been a Minute Rice person.  Don't know what strain that is. lol
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in pinky's world, minute rice, uncle ben's, etc does not qualify as real rice. No Evil  rofl
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Don't they make min-rice outta soybeans?

Rice shaped Tofu...     Bluegh.  Tongue
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I've always been a Minute Rice person.  Don't know what strain that is. lol

long-grain, i think
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in pinky's world, minute rice, uncle ben's, etc does not qualify as real rice. No Evil  rofl

Ya gotta admit though, it is easier and quicker to cook.

I've tried a few of the flavored rice side dishes that have regular (non-minute) rice in 'em.  They take at least 20 minutes to cook, you've got to stir them constantly and they still leave the pan a mess, needing dynamite to clean it up.  Got 4 of these boxes left in the pantry.  Think I'll save them for a special occasion, like famine. Roll Eyes
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easier?  i keep the rice part simple....white rice in a rice cooker, add water, push button, sit and wait.  don't get any easier then that. rofl  leave the rest of the meal for the added flavoring... Tongue
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Plain rice is kinda blah.  Only time I make it that way is to put chow mein on it.
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Don't shrink 'em too much, GP.  Hourglass figures are considered more attractive than thermometers. Tongue

I've always been a Minute Rice person.  Don't know what strain that is. lol
Trust me, I could be starving to death and still have broad hips. Pelvic bones are the proud offspring of generations of sturdy breeders. Granny turned out 16 on Mom's side. It's the jiggly, wobbly, flabby bits sans muscle I'm tightening up.

I fake it with converted rice as minute has no flavor whatsoever. I cheat and mix half chicken broth with half water for flavor.
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easier?  i keep the rice part simple....white rice in a rice cooker, add water, push button, sit and wait.  don't get any easier then that. rofl  leave the rest of the meal for the added flavoring... Tongue
Yah, rice cooker makes it easy. But for higher fiber, get the brown rice cooker. Got mine at Fry's, made by Tiger. Zojirushi makes good rice cookers, also.

JC to John: If you've never tried jasmine rice or basmati rice you should taste them at least once, before you declare plain rice to be blah.
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brown rice cooker?


tiger is a given when you go through as much rice as my family does... lol  other brands just don't hold up as long.
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brown rice cooker?


tiger is a given when you go through as much rice as my family does... lol  other brands just don't hold up as long.

yah, costs a bit more than a regular rice cooker, but well worth it.
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digital too complex for the old girl?
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i suppose, but that's not the reason.  says she's been finding cooked rice spoiling faster, and seems to believe it's due to the rice cooker. Doh   not sure what the rice cooker has to do with it, but that's what she says...
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Certain things do not need to be digitized...

Coffee pots and rice cookers are two of them.
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i suppose, but that's not the reason.  says she's been finding cooked rice spoiling faster, and seems to believe it's due to the rice cooker. Doh   not sure what the rice cooker has to do with it, but that's what she says...
Could there be an issue with the warming cycle?
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Certain things do not need to be digitized...

Coffee pots and rice cookers are two of them.
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Could there be an issue with the warming cycle?

my knowledge of said cycles is...push button, wait, button pops up, rice done. Tongue  not about to fiddle with it myself.
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bah, high tech is much more fun.

 Thinking HA!!   One good spike from the power grid and you'll be goin WHAAAaaa!!!!   While I'm still going "click" it's working...  Tongue  Whistle

 Thinking Got a 1200 watt power inverter that says even if the mains go down, I can still use mine without risking damage to the stupid electronic crap.  (Tho running the Mr.Coffee on the thing would make it kinda interesting in keeping the battery from going flat in the ol van.  rofl )
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The tiger rice cooker is unplugged when not in use, and my power around here is clean.
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Jobs from this new project are nice and chewy... Looking at average 7hr completion times here...
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What is the best processor are you using? and what is the time for crunchy completeness?
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Best?  Q6600 @ 3.2ghz.  Looks like it's going to complete with 7.5hrs..

Slowest The Dell, Athalon 5600+ @ 2.8ghz. Guestimate has it completing with just over 8hrs.
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looks more like they're averaging 8 hours here....and most everyone that's received the same unit as me have about 8 hours as well.  8.0-8.05 cpu hours based on that, not seeing a lot of variance. Thinking
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Well...  hasn't finished "yet" so we'll see what my actual time is an another hour or so..  rofl
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I wonder why my Pentium D 940 (3.2GHz) 2GB RAM, won't pick up a WU for this project?

Checked the minimum system requirements. Seems ok from that standpoint.

JC: Also, the other two systems have WUs in their queues and the deadline is sufficiently remote.

JC: By my calculations, the rice WU would take ~14hrs. to complete on machine in question.
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Will be interesting to see how accurate that calculation is..........especially looking at the times of the other machines crunching the same unit in the quorum of the ones I received:

STATUS               CPU TIME  CLAIMED / GRANTED
Pending Validation     8.04   68.9 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.03   52.0 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.03   151.1 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.02   130.4 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.02   127.3 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.01   35.7 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.01   159.6 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.01   142.5 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8   146.3 / 0.0
Pending Validation     8.01   89.4 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.01   123.9 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.01   181.7 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8   130.0 / 0.0
Pending Validation     8   130.0 / 0.0
Pending Validation     8.05   24.0 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.03   124.1 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.03   113.9 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.02   22.2 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.02   90.7 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.02   157.7 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.02   48.8 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.02   30.4 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.02   121.8 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.01   121.3 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.01   112.8 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8.01   106.2 / 0.0
Pending Validation    8   149.4 / 0.0


8-8.05 hours, some with REALLY low benchmarks. Thinking
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I'm hearing that they are all set for 8hrs completion, it's just the size of the results file that varies.
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that would explain it...thought it was a little too coincidental that they all ran 8 hours. lol
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Will be interesting to see how accurate that calculation is..........especially looking at the times of the other machines crunching the same unit in the quorum of the ones I received:
turns out the calculation was way off.
the WU loaded a time estimate of just under 8hrs.
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I'm hearing that they are all set for 8hrs completion, it's just the size of the results file that varies.
Yep as DA says, they all run for 8 hours regardless of machine, the faster the machine the more data it produces and uploads and therefore the more points you get  Thumbs Up
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