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Good points.  If both Grid and WCG are outlets for ISB why in the world would they favor one over the other?  Maybe someone needs to pose this question to the good doctor himself.


Not me oVo - I fully understand his attitude, if not absolutely agreeing with his methods. Wink

WCG - the place to stay informed and in-form. 'The other place' - the place to be out-of-touch and ill-informed

Sorry folks but they'll never get sympathy or reasonable understanding from me.
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It is your right to say how you feel...And the great thing about this forum is that it will not be deleted....By the way, I agree with you on the subject about the Grid.....
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Oh, I understand why crunchers feel that way, that is crystal clear, but why ISB or IBS or whatever does, and shows it, and continues to work with a partner with whom they are unhappy, that I do not understand.
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Oh, I understand why crunchers feel that way, that is crystal clear, but why ISB or IBS or whatever does, and shows it, and continues to work with a partner with whom they are unhappy, that I do not understand.


Depends on how they are treated, If ISB gets cold shoulder like the members do.....

If they have contract, they may not have a choice. That or they don't have anyplace else to go for the processing of thier research at this time.  Thinking

My speculation is that Oxford may be the cancer research provider that WCG has mentioned. Shock I haven't seen any details on that one yet.
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Mousies point remains valid.

Even if a party is disaffected by the other there is no reason why said person cannot post something sans the sleight.
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Yep! She has posted the question at WCG forum, will be interesting to see the response from above!
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guess i'll just hold to the last line of that post about it being the opinions of a sleep deprived scientist, and hope a better understanding of the grid/wcg differences comes about. Smiley

a nice informative reply from viktors, though adds a bit more to the confusion assuming i interpreted right...the 6 results redundancy thing.  seems disk space certainly is a problem when it comes to the rosetta project overall...
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Hi,
thanks for the interest. As to the difference between UD and IBM grids
i would not want to comment right now, as I work more
closely with IBM, and know less about the UD side of the grid.

one additional explanation is that UD runs multiple projects and is a small
company compared to IBM, thus they have devoted less of grid.org
to the HPF project and more to other projects (i don't know what those
projects are).

sorry I couldn't be more informative...


I guess that answers all our questions as to why nothing posted at 'the other place' then. No subterfuge, no slight on 'the other place', just a simple case of  whoever liases with 'the other place' doesn't bother to post the same level of information. Rather typical of everything to do with them!
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Sounds more like an ignorance of the DC world to me.
Read between the lines and a further sleight is revealed.
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yep...also note that with grid contributing 50% more cpu time then wcg(and thus, i would disagree with the less devoted thing, or at least keep in mind that one project has been working more then another, just not as efficiently or whatever is happening), i would think had he been keeping an eye on things at grid and making sure the projects were doing the same, rosetta would have been completed months ago...  Rolleyes
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posted again...not sure why i'm keeping up with it since it's not my project of choice....guess it's more the hope that something i've contributed to in the past is doing ok...
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Be more straightforward if one agency ran one project instead of it being farmed out in bits..........the left doesn't seem to know what the right is doing.
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that's kinda become my conclusion on this...
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I am just thankful that the FaD server is more reliable than their forum.
Seems that all of the projects have their lil quirks.

One thing that bugs me at WCG is the trumpeting and flagwaving of IBM.

I don't give a damn for IBM...........There to get work done not kiss up to Big Blue.
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I don't mid Fad forum probs myself....

We have this one.  Cool

Pulled my last WCG rig off that project after the last unit netted me a total of 67pts.  Something goofy goin there.   Confused

Well, more cycles for FaD.  Hoghappy
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Was it a long unit?
67 points indicates a unit of 2-3 hours duration.
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About 3hrs if I remember correctly.  Still the first single unit I've seen that low.
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points are based on cpu time...small cpu time = small points.  it's why slow machines get tons of points and small results count...same thing with grid.
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Nah, with grid, you can crunch for a week and get 0 pts.  Twisted  lol
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About 3hrs if I remember correctly.  Still the first single unit I've seen that low.


Let me guess P4 circa 3.2 ghz ?
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2.8ghz......  Still trying to make up my mind is I should up this rig to 3.4ghz or just build a new box...  Might just have to give AMD another go.   Thinking
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Eh


recent posting by mycrofth in the call for questions thread at wcg commenting on curve balls thrown at dr bonneau has me wondering if my questions are seen as curve balls?  pardon me for what i think is being validly concerned about the project. Doh  seems he just likes to think he's doing good and dismissing an interesting, though possibly disturbing, fact that could be important to the project overall....and if it isn't, it would be nice for them to at least explain why...


am i alone in wondering if there's some sort of standard set to make sure data turned in by both grid.org and wcg are similar enough?  since he couldn't answer previous question, no doubt it's another "i don't know".....and maybe there's nothing to worry about since both are theoretically using the same thing, or perhaps it's a silly concern....but i think knowing the differences between the two is something he should have known even before i asked... Huh  tell me if i'm being silly here in wondering this...


hmm...grid.org - say something that may put grid in a negative light, and you get deleted.  wcg - say something that may bring out a negative side, and you get talked about elsewhere... (i suppose i am doing similar in talking about elsewhere here, though i hate to see what happens if i were to post a bit more on this over there lol )


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The way they answer questions at both UD software running projects leads me to believe they are both a bit more commercial than they want us to know.
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Hey mousie, he'll love ya even more when you tell him you prefer Folding  Tongue
I considered posing one or two questions not long ago but really can't be bothered.

Answers from both parties would either be dismissive or mere political nonsense.

UD is mainly for the gain of United Devices
WCG is mainly a vehicle for big blue to say how wonderful they are.

I am starting to feel a tad jaded at the whole scene.
I often feel that the actual work is secondary.
But that's just me  :|
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lol... Tongue


in some cases, the work can be seen as secondary to me as well, though this has kinda piqued my interest, despite it not being my project of choice.  it would be good to feel reassured that the time i did put in isn't going to waste (well, i'm sure regardless of how the issue resolves, it won't necessarily be a waste, but you know what i mean Tongue )
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