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pwrguru

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I think that all you people spent too much time at the Grid...Every project has its little quirks but in the end WCG is still better then Gid was or is.....I think that we fail to realize that someone has to pay the bill for all those servers to be online...WCG has never poured "Big Blue" down my throat....Mousie I do not say this to hurt your feelings but I think that you are reading between the lines where no lines exist....
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PiNkY

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*squeek*

i may be reading between nonexistant lines...i thought about it, posted here instead of trying to jump on him there right away...left it sit for a while, then figured it'd be best to ask directly.  kinda wish they had pm features there.  i still don't see how him telling dr bonneau that one specific question was important, and then telling him to ignore "curve ball" questions was not telling him to ignore my question.  that's just me, though.


as i mentioned in my initial reply to mycrofth, this isn't something against wcg.  it's me trying to understand a few things rosetta-related.  i could very well ask the same questions at grid.org, but asking there would be futile.  i honestly do think i have a valid concern, though lack of support makes me wonder if perhaps i've just gone nutty. Tongue  


not taken as hurt feelings at all...i've been in an awkward state of mind recently, so it may help explain the recent spark.
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'Nix n00b

I can see Pinky's and Scampi's point but agree with Guru - especially about payment for the technology.

Dr Bonneau's post regarding other sites serving up redundant work units is IMHO ill-considered, but surely not meant to be malicious or under-handed.  I am sure that all DCZ members have done similar in the past and regretted it.
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Wether a question is considered a "curve ball" or not a question still deserves an answer.

What is and isn't a valid question is all a matter of personal opinion.
If people are in place to answer questions then answer they should.....not pick and choose which questions merit response.
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Well…I’ve wanted to comment on this issue since it came up but I have been exhaustingly busy and I surprisingly found my first reaction toward the response of Pinky and Scamp to Dr Bonneau statements at WCG forums to be a bit bewildering. I sincerely did not want to aggravate the situation nor go with what I felt must surely be my sleep deprived misinterpretation.

With a bit of a rest bit under my belt I’ve reread the threads at issue at WCG and I found that pinky did just fine in my opinion. Wink  There is a legitimate question that pinky is trying to ask and it was asked clearly enough to be understood. Ultimately it does appear mycrofth misinterpreted the demeanor of pinky’s posts similar to the way I initially did.Rolleyes

Anyway, the answer MAY be something as simple as Grid.org re-issues old work often enough to make for this discrepancy in time in and work out. That would be a lot though! I don’t know, but if you push Dr Bonneau long enough you may force him to bad mouth Grid.org if the above postulation is the case (I doubt he ever would). I’m not saying you shouldn’t try but I wonder what would you say then?

I think that Vaio’s response to Dr Bonneau’s follow up…

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Hi,
thanks for the interest. As to the difference between UD and IBM grids
i would not want to comment right now, as I work more
closely with IBM, and know less about the UD side of the grid.

one additional explanation is that UD runs multiple projects and is a small
company compared to IBM, thus they have devoted less of grid.org
to the HPF project and more to other projects (i don't know what those
projects are).

sorry I couldn't be more informative...


… came off being a bit sharp and put offish. No doubt there is a legitimate question to be asked with regards to this and perhaps it would have been more productive to ask it. One point to remember is that Grid.org itself sends all prospective new HPF volunteers to WCG so WCG may really be the primary focus for Dr Bonnaeu and this project. I don't know.

In any regards JC’s post at the end came across to me as nothing more than negative piling on which spun the entire thread further into negative interpretations where ‘curveball’ then came in. He has edited the post to remove most of his commentary since.

As far as Dr Bonneau’s statement he’d never put out old work as filler like some other projects have? I personally found his statement more as a positive affirmation that our efforts with the HPF would remain productive than a negative sleight on others.

Finally I’ll say that I agree with pwrguru about IBM. I am happy any company is promoting distributed computing regardless of whether they get some name recognition out of it. To date I have not felt IBM is stuffing themselves down my throat either. Cool
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I never said IBM are touting themselves endlessly..........my point was that the community admins tout IBM endlessly.

Anyways, as long as the work server works there endeth my concerns.....not interested in politics right now, just in getting the work done.

As for figures from grid.........they are meaningless anyway.
They are never corrected so member stats etc incessently increase regardless of "true active" membership.

I think folding re-evaluate the "active users" figures every few months which is pretty cool.
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PiNkY

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just a random clarification....something i've been making an effort to do is keep that my concerns are with hpf...wcg itself hasn't been around long enough for me to have a valid opinion on, imo.  this is one of my main reasons for preferring folding over wcg....one has been tried and true, the other is still very fresh in my mind, not even a year old yet.
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I never said IBM are touting themselves endlessly..........my point was that the community admins tout IBM endlessly.


Point taken.  Wink
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Reading this thread from beginning to end for the first time.....

Both United Devices and IBM are competing for corporate clients in the lucrative Distributed Computing market. To a potential customer, it is obvious that they can only showcase the public DC applications, so is it any wonder that a little puff is manifest, and a slight aversion to "critisism" found.

Perhaps, what many potential customers, (or more to the point, their IT departments), do not realise is that in-house DC clusters can be set up gratis, and that no specialist parallel programming expertise is needed!
Such a system is provided by [email protected], details of which, can be found  here.
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comp_interrlz

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can this software [email protected] be used on WCG clusters?

I've got 11 running it all linked via the 100meg connection its talking about, and it seems as if it would be possible lol
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Unfortunately, in this instance the work units cannot be broken down into smaller subunits, and even if they could be decomposed, there would be the problem of generating a valid output file from the partial o/ps.
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ok, just wondered,

hob has been talking about it in my Networking thread in the Hardware section of the forum - but using FaD
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Another project status update at WCG. Looks like we're 97% done Smiley

http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=4164
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Now look on the second page of that same link. RickTheBrick asked Dr. Bonneau how far along they were. Apparently the human stuff is now done and they have loaded another 10 batches/jobs worth of plant material. This will run until they get the Rosetta Phase II data set up (more precise folding). The HIV project should fire up about Nov. 21. There might be some kind of cancer thingy early next year.
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That doesn't equate to being "make work" does it?
Deja vu  :|
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That doesn't equate to being "make work" does it?
Deja vu  :|


Don't think so.  This plant data was mentioned in the official WCG forum some time ago.  It is all new data and was added because the human work was ahead of schedule.  With all the new members from easynews there now sucking up work for profit, having enough work to go around could become a problem though. Thinking
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On the positive side............more members may justify bringing more projects online
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this is a make-or-break time for the project, they need to make sure it goes through with little hitch so not to upset its members, don't want another grid.org fiasco
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The project is very nearly a year old and has almost 100-000 registered members.

Wonder what percentage are active.
A regular update of the "active" device count will give a clearer picture.
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fingerle

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I had brought up the inacurate nubers via thier suggestions form.  It's something they are working on for early next year. They want to make sure they don't kill any inactive members that stop in to crunch every now and then and howerver thay do it can't mess with the current points standing of the teams and active members.
  Tossed some ideas at them on updating ste stats engine to ignore inactive members, and got the "We'll add it to the list" feedback e-mail.
  They are talking of a purge of inactive users and devices. Hard to keep the stats that way.
   I suggested of adding "Inactive" flag to members who haven't provided any work fo 4 to 6 months. Then having the stats engine not report those in the global stats. Also mergining all the old inactive devices in to one for each user. Keeps the stats, and reduces the "extra" devices most of us have. There was a bit more to it but that's just the basics.  Don't want to delete any members in case they come back, and one sure fire way to upset the members is to "misplace" some stats.
  Guess we'll just have to wait and see which direction they take.
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Can they not simply have two stats:

All members
Currently active*

*eg In the last 3 months
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fingerle

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Don't know...  Depends on what the database/server software will let them get away with.

If it's done corectly, other than the amount of time the stats update will take, there should be no reason I can think of that it can't be done weekly.

Most DB software has some pretty powerful things you can use to keep them organized. The biggest question is what can they do without upsetting Uninted Devices. All that copyright mumbo jumbo may limit WCG's choices on what they can do.
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