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Teletraan

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Currently running the UD windows client and was wondering if there is any reason to switch and try the BOINC windows client? There is some talk of BOINC work units returning more points than the UD client. How is the interface compared to the UD client? Would I have to rejoin my team and are there any issues with points transfer? Thanks.
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Tele... I running both and have no problems with the Bionc client. In fact I'll be switching my other rigs over to it sometime over the weekend. You don't have to rejoin your team, when you register the client with the project, it'll guide you through the process - with WCG you will have to cut and paste the a key, and thne just fill in the blanks. As for pionts transfering, I'm not sure of the question, but I'm not watching my Bionc pionts at the moment. I also 'think' that the Bionc client runs faster on older/slower machines. I first intalled it on an 'marginal' by WCG standards laptop an the resource utilization looks to be lower, and the WU's finishing faster.

Hope this helps,
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Thanks for info, Rick  Thumbs Up
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It seems many people are reporting points increase using BOINC, although I think this may be due to the fact that BOINC grades a machine using the processor only and ignores RAM and storage.
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It also gives everyone who crunches a particular work unit the average score of that set of computers, I think (disregarding the high and low extremes). So, depending on the speed of your machine, you may benefit if your pc is slower, or lose if it's faster than the average computer that crunched that same unit. Or maybe I have it completely wrong - not sure yet  MrGreen

I'm also interested in interface comparisons between the two. Any preferences? And BOINC has a built in caching of units, if wanted?
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Yes, BOINC caches WU's for you - simply set it to download x days of work (Max 10).  Better interface in my opinion - gives more info.  Downside of BOINC is that it awards points based on CPU time rather than wall time - not good if you run multiple projects.
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What type of info does the interface give you that the UD client doesn't?
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Which projects you are attached to and how much time, relative to the others, you will spend on each one;
List of individual WU's cached;
Time (CPU) spent on each WU;
Stage of completion (%);
Estimated time to complete;
Deadline for return of WU result;
Complete list of activities performed (eg time WU downloaded, time WU completed, time WU uploaded, time switched between projects, benchmark results);
Statistics (points) for each active project on that machine - total and average for the user and that particular machine;
Disk space usage.
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Nice. Think I'll install it and give it a try. Thanks VAIO.

One last question: Can I choose to only run one of the two projects at WCG or do you run whatever they have when you attach to that project? I remember for a time people couldn't opt out of one (or add one, maybe?). Not sure if that's been resolved yet?
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You can opt out in your profile over at WCG.  Cheesy
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Not sure - I really don't care what the project is  as long as it has some value.  I think you can turn off projects for WCG but that is a setting that is part of your WCG profile rather than something to do with BOINC.

When BOINC was first brought on to WCG you could only do HPF and not [email protected]  I'm currently getting WU's for both.
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Thanks Patty, VAIO, I thought it may be in the BOINC client that you had to select. Sounds easy enough then  Smiley
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Tele..... You'll like it, I wasn't sold at first, but like I said I'll be switch all of my rigs over the weekend.


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I didn't like it at first either but it grows on you.  All my rigs are boinced now.  Tongue
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Quote from: "phicks"
I didn't like it at first either but it grows on you.  All my rigs are boinced now.  Tongue

And Patty knows a thing or two about bioncing......  Twisted


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Quote from: "rwillis"
Quote from: "phicks"
I didn't like it at first either but it grows on you.  All my rigs are boinced now.  Tongue

And Patty knows a thing or two about bioncing......  Twisted


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lol ..... was waiting for your reply, I ment that comment in the best possible way. Heart


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Sure  lol
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Shock...... how could you think otherwise..... I'm hurt...... :sad:
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I think Rick is good at the guilty thingy to get hugs.  lol

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Who me Huh??? never... well may be... OK ya got me, I'm a sucker for a good Hug from you...

oops... we've gone off topic..... who would have guessed
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I'm sure Teletran expects it by now.   lol
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SHHHH Tele is about....... act like nothing has happened.........
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We're in trouble now.  Oops  lol
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Then he'l know y'all are up to something.  Twisted
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How could an Innocent Creature like Patty and myself be up to anything... but a friendly exchange of information......Huh??
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No Evil  Fire  rofl
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Quote from: "rwillis"
How could an Innocent Creature like Patty and myself be up to anything... but a friendly exchange of information......Huh??


Of course.  Fridaynite  Popcorn
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Never a doubt in our minds........ Twisted
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I'm definitely preferring the BOINC client. Thanks to all those who answered questions on it. Now I have purged UD further from my system and I feel better than ever  MrGreen
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You have to watch the euphoria of purges lest you develop a crunching disorder Twisted
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After running both agents for a month, I figure BOINC isn't for me.  It's best suited for those running multiple projects and that have high speed broadband.   I run only WCG on dialup so it makes no sense to have to wait through downloads that take 3 times longer for BOINC than the UD agent, just to get the extra points that BOINC pays per unit.  Also, it takes as much as a week before BOINC units are validated and credited.
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I have found the boinc client to be better for my purposes for a number of reasons.  There's a Linux version   Heart, it has built-in work unit queing  Thumbs Up, more expansive built-in stats  Roll Eyes and I found I got better work throughput  Kiss though that's going from win2k+UD to Linux+boinc.
Points are irrellevent.  Resistance is futile (if less than 1 ohm)
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Work throughput is the only thing you mentioned that matters to me and, for cancer jobs anyway, the two agents are fairly similar on my machines.  FAAH on BOINC actually ran slower for me than on UD.
BOINC takes 15 to 16 minutes to d/l a workunit, where ud takes about 5 or less.  Makes a big difference when running multiple machines (5 currently).
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I didn't run boinc on dialup so I can't really comment there.  It does seem odd that it should take so long though.
To be honest I havn't checked the times on the latest projects.  I did my comparisons on HPF1, where boinc came out a hands down winner.
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Got to run a few HPF2 units on BOINC before they shut it down and that too ran as much as 50% slower than on UD.  That's why I couldn't figure out why everyone was saying BOINC was faster as it didn't prove to work out that way for me.
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Boinc running like mad with these HDC jobs here.
Also easier to monitor across my lil network.  Cool
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I also prefer BOINC because it verifies the status of the work unit you send in and whether it got completed correctly or not.
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